They can see over in the Concealed Carry & Self Defense Subforum, some real doozies.
Two Firefighters Murdered in Idaho
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Despite the fact that most of the mental institutions have been closed, I think Karl Childers turned out OK.
A few more bits of info on the crazy person
apnews.com
The man accused of killing 2 Idaho firefighters had once aspired to be one
A 20-year-old man’s life appeared to have begun to unravel in the months before law enforcement say he fatally shot two firefighters and severely wounded a third as they responded to a wildfire near Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.
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Alright then.
Reminds me of when CHP escorted firefighters in LA during the Rodney King riots.
Just a crazy person who has gone off the world and should never been alive.....
LVSteve
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Agree 100% with what I have highlighted, but there is a bijou snag. Who pays for it? America is not financially or culturally prepared to pay for other people's healthcare, mental or otherwise. Recall the attitude of most US employers: getting sick is YOUR fault. The idea that being sick occasionally is just a normal part of life doesn't fit the control culture here.
I have never heard a single employer say anything even close to that. Where did you hear that?
LVSteve
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I see that you are in the upper-midwest. Yes, to be fair, I know from wife#1's extended family in Iowa that the employer/worker relationship is more relaxed than what we often see out West. It can get VERY hard-nosed corporate in a heartbeat out here, with Vegas employers being some of the worst.
What I described re getting sick I witnessed with a defense contractor, and it's not an uncommon comment in the hospitality industry here.
Then there are the ways the employers here can get stupid about your days off. First was a casino worker buddy who went up to Brian Head, Utah, for some snowboarding on an off day. About mid-morning his cellphone rings. Boss says, "Somebody has called out, I need you to come in and cover his shift."
My buddy, "I'd love to, but I'm in Brian Head at the moment, so even if I set off now, the shift will be half done before I get there."
Boss, "And who said you could leave town? We'll discuss this when next you're here."
My buddy thought his boss was joking. He wasn't.
Then there was my coworker's wife who had a part-time job at Pandora. They had scheduled her for four days off, so the couple decided to drive over to the Santa Barbara area to visit their son for a couple of days. Somewhere west of Bakersfield (about 300 miles from Vegas) her boss calls.
Boss, "Hi, _______ decided to quit, so I need you to come in."
My friend, "Sorry, no can do. We are past Bakersfield to stay with our son, and we have made other arrangements for the next couple of days."
Boss, clearly through clenched teeth, "But I need you to come to work."
Friend, "Sorry, no can do."
She got written up for being uncooperative and "insubordinate". Absolutely ridiculous, especially the "insubordinate" bit. This was a jewelry store, My friend was not required to cover a screen at NORAD and she certainly wasn't in the military. Throwing "insubordinate" at someone in a civilian job is a power trip that gets all the lols it deserves.
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So; contracting is a hardball world. Depending on the type of contractor you are in your contract, no work means no pay.
An example: a CT investigator training foreign nationals in a place where you cannot go to your post without a protective services detail and in a B6 (armored) vehicle gets overheated working outside in 95 degree heat with 70% humidity. He passes out, and can't be medically cleared to go back to work (because there are no US-licensed or trained doctors in the entire country) until he can travel to a neighboring country at his expense, seek out and get cleared by a US-certified physician. This means tests where health insurance doesn't exist, then paying a return flight once the physician issues a clearance, corporate agrees, and the customer agrees.
There are no sick leave days and there is no employer-provided workman's comp. You either work and invoice or you aren't working and not invoicing.
Never think large employers everywhere wouldn't prefer this system.
An example: a CT investigator training foreign nationals in a place where you cannot go to your post without a protective services detail and in a B6 (armored) vehicle gets overheated working outside in 95 degree heat with 70% humidity. He passes out, and can't be medically cleared to go back to work (because there are no US-licensed or trained doctors in the entire country) until he can travel to a neighboring country at his expense, seek out and get cleared by a US-certified physician. This means tests where health insurance doesn't exist, then paying a return flight once the physician issues a clearance, corporate agrees, and the customer agrees.
There are no sick leave days and there is no employer-provided workman's comp. You either work and invoice or you aren't working and not invoicing.
Never think large employers everywhere wouldn't prefer this system.
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Are…are you new to America?
Bro, our entire country is literally designed so that misfortune is the primary fault of whoever it’s happening to. We literally make a national sport out of refusing to pay for basic healthcare or food for everyone. Right now, our government is actively trying to find more ways to cut what efforts we do have to help people avoid misery.
People use sick days when they’re “sick”? 
No, they abuse sick leave and then put in for shared leave when they really get sick.People use sick days when they’re “sick”?
Rodan
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NO.
America is a nation founded on personal liberty and private property, and with that goes personal responsibility. YOU are responsible for your own well being. Characterizing misfortune as someone's "fault" is absurd. And there is no such thing as right to "basic healthcare". I am in no way indebted to you in such a way that it's moral to take money from me by force (taxes) to pay for services that you want or need. No doctor/medical professional is a slave such that they should be forced to provide their labor for free.
We are, however, a charitable culture and have enacted laws to provide public funds for "general welfare". Many would argue that the very existence of 'public payment' and private insurance are the reason our medical system is completely broken. And the scale of waste and theft of those funds are just starting to be known. Because once you start to give anything away, the takers are going to line up to demand ever more of it.
I knew a slew of people who either went to the beach, were too hungover to come to work, who had tee times, etc etc.
Best one was two guys I knew who called in sick and went to a Mets playoff game. Unfortunately for them they wound up on the back page of The NY Post jumping into the air with beers in hand.What were the odds of that?
I retired with well over 200 sick days.
Those evil employers ya know.
Best one was two guys I knew who called in sick and went to a Mets playoff game. Unfortunately for them they wound up on the back page of The NY Post jumping into the air with beers in hand.What were the odds of that?
I retired with well over 200 sick days.
Those evil employers ya know.
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After spending almost 10 years in the Public Defenders office in Cincinnati Ohio, I learned more than I ever. wanted to know about the weak spots in the public health system. Shutting down confined mental health facilities was not the best way to cure the horrible problems of dealing with severe mental illness.
Much of what really goes on today involves the kindness of law enforcement officers who bring these lost souls into emergency hospital receiving or sometimes into the overnight lock up to get them out of immediate danger due to their health, bad weather, or being in a bad place. And this activity is not at a low risk to officers themselves. These victims of their own minds smell bad and behave worse, and if they are self medicating on alcohol, the police cruiser is going to need a cleaning.
Cops often do more than we think they do. Thanks!
Much of what really goes on today involves the kindness of law enforcement officers who bring these lost souls into emergency hospital receiving or sometimes into the overnight lock up to get them out of immediate danger due to their health, bad weather, or being in a bad place. And this activity is not at a low risk to officers themselves. These victims of their own minds smell bad and behave worse, and if they are self medicating on alcohol, the police cruiser is going to need a cleaning.
Cops often do more than we think they do. Thanks!
pantannojack
US Veteran
Mostly ones sided on the hate part.
pantannojack
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It seems to be more diverse in the latest lacross murder trial goings on today. If diversity is an allowed subject for comment.
Sick and Hospital days were a negotiated item, just like vacation days, medical insurance and pension. I sat on negotiation committees for at least half of my employment life of 39 years for a city transit system. We started off back in the early 70's with 12 days, 5 were put in a hospital bank that you could only access by being in the hospital or under a physician's care (required bed rest.) 7 were used as sick days, the requirement was that you had to call in 30 minutes prior to sign in time. You could build a bank with no limit, there were guys that retired took all the money they had in their sick bank and bought an RV. The rest of us used them as floating holidays, especially those of us with lousy days off (Wednesday and Sunday). It paid to leave yourself a bit of a cushion for when you were really sick, we had a few guys that were already retired from the military and had drinking issues, they would go on three day benders and used their sick leave real quick.People use sick days when they’re “sick”?
As time went by and we started growing to over three hundred employees, management took a dim view of people using their sick days as floating holidays and they started putting a limit on how many days you could use, more than three in a row and you needed a doctor's release to come back to work. They implemented a time loss schedule which penalized you for using more than five in a rolling one year period, after the fifth day you didn't get paid for the first day, people had to get more creative in order to effectively use what we had negotiated for.
They even put a cap on how many days you could bank, it ended up being something like 1280 hours or something to that effect. Beyond that you just gave the days back to the company, the good kids that did that were given a "special" floating holiday they could pick any day of the year, big deal...
The Last Standing Knight
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I have had two employers tell me that to my face. To quote one directly "I don't pay you to get sick, have a day off, or a vacation. When you work for me, I am the first, foremost and most important thing in your life. Everything else is secondary...." He ended with telling me if I didn't like it, there was the door. I took the door. In the two and a half months after that, he went through five people in the position I held.
I think it goes on a lot more than you might think.
