CS45 My take on it.

...What is required to effect a conversion to DAO???
~GARY~

Hi, Gary!

There are two versions of DAO which can be effected.

The 1st is the very common S&W DAO as included on a vast number of duty weapons.
That system utilizes the movement of the slide to partially pre-cock the hammer so that the trigger pull is definitely longer than a single action pull but shorter than a true full double action pull wherein the trigger fully cocks and releases the hammer.

These threads describe that method of conversion:

6906 Conversion to DAO

4043TSW DAO/TDA Conversion

The 2nd version is full or true DAO in that the trigger does all of the cocking and releasing as previously described.
Just like the first trigger pull on a traditional DA/SA pistol.
This can be effected by the simple expedient of grinding off the single action notch on the hammer (I used an extra with a previously damaged SA notch).

That's how I did this one (pardon the prose):

Hail to the Chief: an Anthropomorphic Fantasy (with pictures)

Smith & Wesson cataloged a dedicated hammer for the true DAO 3914 and CS models if you don't want to modify yours although I don't know if they are still available.

Are you planning a conversion?

John
 
18DAI,

I follow your Third Generation posts closely. Ran across this post because I am pondering a blued CS45 that came available locally. It has only one mag, no box, light visible holster wear. Hmmm. Not sure what to do. I had been thinking more about the stainless variant for hot weather carry. Your post may have convinced me to snatch it up.
 
Well, if you can get it for a good price, buy it. You can still find extra mags and Ive shot mine a bunch and not broken anything. ;)

Be advised to AVOID BUYING CS45 mags from Midway.com Those mags have incorrectly stamped feed lips and don't work.

I have TercGen grips inbound to put on my CS45. I will shoot it to check for function and amend my thread here after doing so.

The CS45 is a very nice small TDA 45. BUT - you must have a tight grip and locked wrist to assure function when using it.

Be sure and read member Fastbolts posts. What he has forgotten about the CS series guns in general and the CS45 in particular, most of us will never even know. Regards 18DAI
 
Thanks for the additional thoughts.

Also, thanks for the tip about magazines.

I've noticed that there are quite a few of 6 round 4513/4553 mags being sold as CS45 mags. The CS45 mags have the extra indentation up top to help the rounds stay put during recoil. I have a pile of the 4513 mags now.

May grab this CS45. Still trying to nail down a good price...again, one mag, blued, some carry wear, no box, etc. I have some thoughts about it but welcome any opinions.
 
For an early production blue CS45, in the condition you describe, I would expect to pay $450, maybe a little more.

On the off chance you buy it and dont like it, PM me and I'll give you a reasonable price. ;) Good luck with your decision! Regards 18DAI
 
Be advised to AVOID BUYING CS45 mags from Midway.com Those mags have incorrectly stamped feed lips and don't work.
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Regards 18DAI

+1 on that warning, I purchased a few CS45 mags from Midway and both were not stamped correctly on both sides, causing feeding issues in my 4513TSW pre-rail. Returned them for different ones after describing my issues and received the same faulty mags! Two of the mags were also missing the buttplate catch assy, so they are really factory defects at Midway.
 
It has been a long while since I owned a single stack, original 4013, but I do not think they will work in a CS40.

IIRC they had two bumps in the base of the mag. To keep them from being inserted in any other pistol. Regards 18DAI
 
That is my recollection, but as 18DAI said, I’ve been without my old 4013 for a LONG time. I made up my mind to replace it with a 4040PD and went on the warpath until finally finding one. As is usually the case with me, once one showed up it wasn’t long before another came along at a price too good to pass up. :rolleyes:

Another subject entirely, but if anyone cares, I notice the old Winchester 155 grain STHP has reappeared, which my 4040PDs are particularly fond of.
 
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Another subject entirely, but if anyone cares, I notice the old Winchester 155 grain STHP has reappeared, which my 4040PDs are particularly fond of.

My 4040 also seems to have a noticeable preference for the 155gr STHP. While I'm not a particular proponent of the mid-weight 155gr .40 loads, a few years ago I noticed that a full box of the 155gr STHP appeared in the 'range ammo' bin at my agency's range.

Nobody else seemed interested in it, and I had my 4040 with me that day, so I decided to add it to the other loads I was running through the 4040. I was very pleasantly surprised by the load, being a bit brisk, but fully manageable, and producing some very consistently tight groups, no matter the drills or shot strings fired.

I checked a number of gun shops and was unable to find any on the shelves, nor anyone who had seen any for some time. I asked a shop where I'd done business for many years if they could order it. They checked and said they could get it from their distributor, but it was going to cost just shy of $65 per 50rd box. I ordered 2 boxes. I save it just for the 4040, and use other 180gr loads (and occasionally some 165gr T-Series) for my other .40's.

Back when I first bought that 4040 in the mid 2000's, I noticed that the really narrow and tight mag bodies, combined with our 180gr GS duty load, could sometimes allow a round rising up at the mag catch tab inside the magazine (the mag catch sticking inside the mag body's mag catch window), to stop the round stack from rising.

Looking at the mags when such stoppages of the round stack rising occurred (in various mags I was using), it appeared as though the folded notch cuts were sometimes possibly hanging up on the edge of the mag catch tab. Whenever the stoppages occurred, the GS bullet noses were positioned such that one of the folded/notching cuts were in the lower part of the mag body's mag catch window. When I switched over to other JHP designs without the wide ogive, wide JHP nose cavities and without similar notching cut designs, the round stacks rose smoothly inside the narrow & tight mags.

When I called to discuss my experiences and thoughts with one of the LE contacts at S&W, he said that sometimes bullet size/shape (ogive), nose cavity configuration and any features like jacket notching cuts might potentially lend themselves to feeding issues in some magazines, and it was prudent to check for compatibility in any particular gun/ammo combination. If one brand/type ammo didn't work, try another one, or at least another production lot of the same ammo (which is pretty common advice heard in armorer classes for different gun companies ;) ).

That 155gr STHP load fed in my 4040 mags (at least for that initial 50 rounds) like they were greased and slick, though. Nicely manageable recoil and practical accuracy, too.

Seems to like my older duty loads like the RA40TA (165gr) and RA40T (180gr), too. However, the 155gr STHP is a real tack driver, at least in my 4040, in my hands. :)

Just wish it would appear on shelves for $40/box, but the guy at the gun shop who ordered it for me said his cost was higher than that nowadays.
 
$65 a box! Wow. And I complained about $33/box for RA45T.

I'm all about giving the pistol what it likes best, but in this case, my 3rd gen pistol would as my late Mother use to say - "Eat whats put in front of you!" ;) :)

Fastbolt I will check with our distributor and see if we can get that any cheaper. Regards 18DAI
 
$65 a box! Wow. And I complained about $33/box for RA45T.

I'm all about giving the pistol what it likes best, but in this case, my 3rd gen pistol would as my late Mother use to say - "Eat whats put in front of you!" ;) :)

Fastbolt I will check with our distributor and see if we can get that any cheaper. Regards 18DAI

I appreciate the offer, but the new laws affecting ammo sales (and the importation thereof, even by private persons) requires ammo to be received by state approved ammo vendors, who have to stock it into inventory and then do the required background check to transfer it to someone. The stores who receive ammo shipped from out-of-state are going to charge fees for their service. Kinda like how FFL's charge people to receive guns and transfer them. Sigh.

I miss the days of buying new T-Series from the NorCA distributor for only $12/box, and then later on $25/box.
 
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When I purchased my CS40 new, about this time in 2003, I sent S&W CS an e-mail, asking them what round they recommended for it.

Their answer:

155gr STHP.

That is what they thought at the time.

John
 
My 4040 also seems to have a noticeable preference for the 155gr STHP.

Back when I first bought that 4040 in the mid 2000's, I noticed that the really narrow and tight mag bodies, combined with our 180gr GS duty load, could sometimes allow a round rising up at the mag catch tab inside the magazine (the mag catch sticking inside the mag body's mag catch window), to stop the round stack from rising.

That's interesting. I had a similar issue in my "1013" that would cause the slide to lock back prematurely, before the last round, because the broad nose of my favorite JHPs would occasionally hit the slide stop's mag arm too.

I've noticed too that the 4040's mags are on the "tight" side & have to handload my ammo for it a little shorter than for all my other 40s.

The 4040PD has a "unique to it only" slide stop assembly because the mag arm is shorter because the followers of the 4040 mags have a tab that extends outward, unlike any other 3rd Gen mag.

I'm sure S&W recognized potential feeding issue with these mags & added that feature specifically to try & avoid it. Guess it didn't quit work for all ammo.

I'm still looking for a load my 4040 "likes".

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Concerning the 4013 mags in the CS40; when I was experimenting making a "1016" (4013 slide on a 4516 frame) I removed the alignment/lock-out tabs from the 4013 mags so they could be inserted.

But because the 45's mag wells are slightly larger the magazine catch could not reliably hold the 4013 mag in place & they would tend to drop out unexpectedly. Not a good thing. :p

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Eeeehh! After reading, and being frightened by, 18DAI’s post nr. 52 I went casting about on-line for .40 S&W Winchester STHP. I guess I snoozed, and lost. :rolleyes: I don’t see it any more, but I do think I remember seeing it on the shelf at a local farm store, so I believe tomorrow evening I will scamper over there and see if it’s still available. I think the price was $39.99, which I judged too high when I saw it. Now, well, I hope it’s still there. :o There’s probably something else out there that works as well, but I don’t want to try to find it. A box of fifty should last me 3-4 years. Two boxes will do nicely.
 
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